@IsakTougaard9

Thought you would enjoy this: Dr Rob Cywes (the carb addiction doc) has begun describing a phenomenon named "insulin suppression" which can occur to long term carnivores.
Basically insulin falling so low it causes burn out symptoms. 
This is remedied with daily carbs.
I don't know if you care for it, but I think you could mutually benefit from cordial debate.

@AlexBaez99

I love Theresa. I have worked with her a few times in the past she’s super compassionate and patient. She helped jumpstart my journey improving mentally and physically at the time 🙏🏾

@andrewlarsen9587

Welcome to the squad Theresa!! Keep it up guys

@andrewlarsen9587

15 min in and I think this is the closest to being mad that we’ve seen of Jay

@jx2938

poor keto cows 😥

@Ace71512

I’m a member of Jay’s Energy Balance Solution & I’m loving it! I was wondering if you could do an in depth discussion of “Apeel” and more recently “Bovaer” that are being implemented/attempting to be implemented in the food supply & what to do about it such as how to recognize when it’s being used on/in particular foods and how to avoid it.

@waltervaldes

what happened to Danny?

@benjaminchristensen1066

Obviously Anthony doesn’t have much experience taking care of cattle. We use propylene glycol to treat cows in Ketosis. Always makes me laugh to when people talk about how great Ketosis is.

@andrewlarsen9587

Sperti vitamin d lamp for this Iowa boy in the winters has been helpful

@aspiresk8boarding

Chaffee’s handsome self is the only citation his followers need 😁

@Millefoli

Such a nice lady we got here! 🙂

@drewmorg.

I don't think Chaffee makes the argument that we are the same as gorillas. I think he is arguing against vegans when he talks about gorillas relying on SCFA's for energy. A common vegan argument is that humans are relatives of gorillas and they eat only plants and they are big and strong. Well we know that humans cannot survive on leafy green plant matter like gorillas (totally different digestive physiology) but even still the point is that gorillas aren't getting their energy from carbohydrate but SCFA. It bolsters his point.

@mikw2026

What do you think of eating mostly meat and fruit

@Patriot8140

So here's my 2 cents... when you're on keto, you loose a TON of salt anyways. In fact, I lost so much that I was trying to supplement with like 8-10g a day and still couldn't get the sodium I needed... once I knew that glucose solved this problem, Keto electrolytes made zero sense. Now, I salt food to taste, only use liquid IV if I was outdoors working out and sweat a ton and all heart palpitations, cramps, muscle fatigue are just gone! So yes, LMNT is not necessary and very very expensive. Weird side note, Rob Wolf uses a "super starch" made of corn as a supplement when he does jujitsu. Really... anyone wanna tell him to just eat a few bananas and not some corn powder. Just sayin...

@Itzbrady_

Brand new video drop woop! 💯

@sssimka

I disagree that only the individual is responsible for their emotions and reactions. 50/50. Some of the emotions we feel are due to our own personal circumstances, some of the emotions are imposed on us / transferred to us by other people due to their personal inability to cope with their emotions and traumas. They can be transferred directly: by being around the person (through the field, body language, tone of voice, etc.), or by simulating situations for the person so that you feel what they are feeling: sadness, hopelessness, anger, happiness, etc.

@robfer5370

Too much protein will kick you out of ketosis...
This is unfortunately a persistent myth. The reality is:
Gluconeogenesis is demand-based, not supply-based. It's a process that keeps your blood sugar stable when you're eating less carbs than your body needs.
What's less known is that GNG is continuously happening while you're in ketosis, and in fact is one of the two processes that causes ketosis
Unless you're a T1D, GNG can't spike your blood sugar because it's self-regulating. Higher glucose turns on insulin, which turns off GNG and the margins are a lot lower here than they are with dietary carbs -- the end result is a state where your blood sugar is stable and 10-20 points lower than "normal".

Another less-known fact is that not all protein will fuel GNG -- ketogenic amino acids like lysine and leucine will turn into ketones instead.
The glycerol backbone of dietary or body fat can also be used in GNG.

Excessive protein beyond what's needed for maintenance will be used for energy directly -- there's a bunch of routes here depending on the amino acid, but basically they form precursors in the citric acid cycle.

There is a mechanism where eating too much protein will kick you out of ketosis, but it requires absurd amounts of it -- something like 300-400g depending on LBM. The mechanism here isn't GNG, but rather that protein becomes your main energy source through the above bullet point's mechanism. The other requirement of ketosis is lots of fat metabolism to make the precursors of ketones, so if you're eating excessive amounts of protein this won't happen. Again though this does require an absurd amount of protein.

@MartaSpendowska

20:00 Because high protein PREVENTS the nutritional ketosis.

28:38 yes, it happens in a fed state! Tested on myself many times. Will NEVER happen post carb, happens often after high fat, mod or low protein meal (high calories). After repairing the insulin resistance etc, just take your keto mojo and see how fast (30 min to 1 hr) you can enter ketosis. Def in a couple of hrs or next day (dinner-wake up test) Happens to many.

31:43 then why do you bring up cats and dogs? :) Pure conflation. 
I’m not a carnivore and would not follow Chaffie although he is one handsome fella, but I do follow a low-carb approach. I’m curious: do you guys really believe that regularly spiking insulin and potentially inducing leptin resistance from high-carb diets is the natural metabolic state for humans?

Haven’t seen thousands of reports on healing after high carb but have many thousands of people healing all kinds of illnesses on low carb, med protein, high fat. Plenty of PubMed articles on nutritional ketosis.  

I think Ray Peat is as niche as it gets and this is why people are drawn to it. After all, mainstream sucks. 

If you’ve never tracked your ketones or calculated your Glucose Ketone Index (GKI), you might not realize that metabolically healthy individuals often dip into ketosis—even a couple of hours after eating. I’ve personally tested this. For example, after drinking orange juice, I checked my ketone levels over the next five hour and ketones stayed under 0.5 mmol/L, and I was never in ketosis.

Why? Likely due to impaired insulin and leptin signaling post carb. Even a simple carb load can block your body’s natural ability to shift between fuel sources. That’s not metabolic flexibility—that’s dysfunction.

Also, low carb is not no carb. Also carb post healing constant insulin and leptin resistance is a different carb than during peating. The system is very different.

@Goodthanksandyouu

Watch Bart K's recent debate with nutrition by Victoria, they cover this topic. I think he says it's a dual pathway, not a backup re carbs vs fa/protein

@Daniel-pr4uk

Amazing show guys. Thank you. If supplementing with 3000IU of D3 (in drops together with 150mcg of k2), how much magnesium, calcium and vitamin E would be good to take with that, to keep everything in balance as Mike said?